It's not the shoe, this was my first purchase and be becuse it's a good shoe and .y son is in between sizes. I should have orderd differently. So I will keep it till he grows in it. Thank youThe size is a little different from the other Bates pair that I own (they are over 12 years old) but are just as nice. The cuts may be different then back when I ordered my first pair........no biggie.They were a great dress shoe. I wore them without breaking them in and in two hours my feet were a little sore. I will update once I get them broken in.good stuff, need improvementi am gonna buy this again for friends..i was scared about the size initially, but when i received the shoe, it fits as expected, nice oneGreat shine but slightly smaller than my other pair of the same size.Too small and had to pay return shipping